SharePoint duka Majadiliano Alhamisi, 09/10/09 katika 12:30PM EDT

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SharePoint duka Majadiliano inaendelea Alhamisi saa hii 12:30 EDT kwa 1:30PM EDT. This will be our 5th call I believe. SharePoint Shop Talk works like this:

  • A panel of SharePoint Experts answer questions. This week the panel includes Laura Rogers, Natalya Voskresenskaya, Harry Jones na mimi.
  • Any SharePoint question is fair game.
  • Send or ask questions:
    • By email: info@arcovis.com
    • Twitter directly to @pagalvin
    • Leave a comment on this blog
    • Write the question down on the back of a piece of poster board, one side of which is covered with $20 bills and mailed to my home address (leave a comment and I will be in touch with you directly).
    • Mwisho, dial into the call and just ask it out loud.

This week we have a few questions around SharePoint workflow. Two sample questions:

  • “How do I deploy a SharePoint Designer workflow from development to test?"
  • “Does SharePoint Designer workflow work well with InfoPath? How I can share information between an InfoPath form and a SharePoint Designer workflow?"

This week’s SharePoint Shop Talk registration is up. Click here to register. We hope to hear you there!

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Internet Explorer 8 Crashing // 64 kidogo Operating Systems

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A comment from Bob Fox (kupitia Twitter, @bfox11b) alinikumbusha kwamba mimi alikuwa na maana ya kutupa pamoja haraka blog kuingia kuelezea tatizo na ufumbuzi wangu Internet Explorer crashing juu yangu wakati wote.

miezi michache iliyopita, I got mbali mpya (Dell Vostro 1720). This is my first 64 bit machine and I was running 64 bit IE8. Over time, it started to crash unpredictably, but frequently (probably every day). It’s pretty agile at recovering from all that, but it was a real nuisance.

The problem seems to have been an adobe plugin, “Air” or their flash plugin – I don’t really know what it’s called or care all that much. It turns out that it’s not compatible with a 64 bit environment (which is *totally* reasonable; it’s not like 64 bit is the kind of thing that anyone except ***crazy*** companies want to support or anything). I tried to uninstall it but that experiment only lasted about 15 dakika. It turns out that a ridiculous number of sites are using flash tech (I may be the last one to realize this on the planet). Hivyo, I can’t live without it and I can’t use IE8 64 bit.

My answer is to switch to 32bit IE8. It’s been smooth sailing since then.

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SharePoint duka Majadiliano Alhamisi, 09/03 katika 12:30 PM EDT

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Sisi kuendelea SharePoint duka Majadiliano kesho saa 12:30 PM EDT. As usual, kama kuna mada au maswali Ningependa jopo kushughulikia, please email them to info@arcovis.com.

This week we are drawing a few questions from the www.endusersharepoint.com Stump The Panel forums:

  • "Naelewa kwamba tovuti ya mzazi na mtoto tovuti hawawezi kuwasiliana. Kwa mfano, I would like to either push data from a list in a child site to a list in a parent site or have the parent site pull data from child site. Is there a way to design a workflow to accomplish having data sent for pulled from lists in a parent/child site relationship?"
  • “On my newform.aspx for my main list, I have a lookup column that points to the title column in my employee list.

    In the employee list, there is another column that is a checkbox named ‘active’.

    What I would like to happen is on the newform of the main list, when they click on the dropdown it only displays the records from the employee list that are marked active.

    Is there a way to filter the dropdown on the mainlist’s newform.aspx so it only displays the ones marked active?"

  • “I know this is simple but, for the life of me I can’t get it to work! We have a discussion board that we built a date field into call expiration. I would like to automatically have expired items delete after their expiration date. If you could send me a screen shot of the workflow it would be much appreciated. Basically if expired = today then delete current item “
  • “I am trying to set up a sign-up list for a blood drive, wherein once a time slot is chosen, it is no longer available. Is there a way to do this, besides just making an Excel-type spreadsheet be the sign-up? "

And if we have time:

  • How many SharePoint experts does it take to change a light bulb?

Aidha, we answer questions directly from email and we’re open to questions any time on the call itself.

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SharePoint On Line // BPOs - Baadhi ya Mikono Uzoefu

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(Kumbuka: makala hii ilikuwa kuvuka-posted hapa: http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=1912)

Mwisho 09/01/09: Kulingana na maoni Twitter, I need to clarify that InfoPath is supported in the sense that BPOS provides forms libraries. What I mean when I write "not supported in any way" is that InfoPath forms services functions are not supported. That means that you can’t publish an InfoPath form to BPOS and and have it render in the web browser. It also means that some out of the box workflows, which use InfoPath (even in MOSS standard edition) don’t work in BPOS because their initiation and other forms use InfoPath. Hopefully that clears things up.

I had a chance to really dig into Microsoft Online’s offering earlier this year and specifically the business productivity online suite (BPOs). This came along before I even hard a firm plan to set out on my own at Arcovis. I immediately saw, hata hivyo, that BPOS could be a key part of my company’s internal infrastructure and over time, it has become exactly that. Arcovis, uses it on a daily basis. I thought I’d share some of that experience from a practical perspective in case you want to evaluate it for yourself or are just curious about it.

As the word “suite” in BPOS implies, you get a small bundle of applications:

  • Exchange
  • Live Meeting
  • Communicator
  • SharePoint

You can buy each of them separately, Naamini. It’s all spelled out relatively clearly on the Microsoft online site. You may be able to get better deals through MSFT partners. Arcovis has been working with Wingu Mikakati and they seem to know their stuff, so I’d include them in your list of vendors if you do a multi-vendor search.

I outline my experience and thoughts for each of these respectively.

Exchange

This is a hosted exchange environment and from my perspective, it works like any other Exchange server I have ever used. It’s fully integrated with all of my fellow Arcovis partners’ environments and gives me access to the calendar (which is huge). Good stuff.

It also provides the Outlook Web Access (OWA) interface. That means I can get my email on any machine that has a web browser.

My HTC mobile phone, running Windows Mobile 6.1(?) connected to it nicely via Active Sync. It did this in exactly the way I expected and wanted.

I don’t consider myself much more than a casual outlook and exchange user so there may be really important Exchange features that just aren’t supported and I wouldn’t necessarily know it.

I think the strongest recommendation I make for this is that I am completely unaware that my exchange environment is “somewhere else.” I don’t know see any difference in Exchange and how I use it on a daily basis versus the half dozen or so other times I used someone’s exchange environment. Kwa kweli, this is better because it simply works.

Bottom line – hosted exchange is what it needs to be and I’m very happy with it.

Live Meeting

This is a truly indispensible tool when you’re in the consulting business. I fire up instant live meetings several times a week to show intermediate work product to clients, to watch them break my solutions so that I know how to fix them, do sales presentations, nk. Live meeting is bundled with BPOS and it’s very easy to use.

I’m even less of a live meeting expert than I am on exchange. Hata hivyo, for my purposes, it’s great.

Communicator

Hadi sasa, I use communicator almost only for presence information. I say “only” but have that presence data available to me whenever I’m connect has become addictive. With communicator installed and running, my colleagues know when I’m available, what my schedule is like at this moment, and can IM me (though the IM interface is pretty dull, at best). It’s one of those things that I really miss when I don’t have it. I actually get a little annoyed when my colleagues aren’t running communicator because the presence information is missing.

The presence indicator feels pervasive. It shows up in SharePoint whenever their name appears as an author to a document, assigned a task, nk. It shows in email, embedded right in outlook. It shows up in the communicator client itself.

For the most it just sits there running in the background and decorates my outlook and SharePoint screens with real-time presence information. It’s very cool.

SharePoint

My favorite bit, bila shaka, is SharePoint.

BPOS provides a modified version of MOSS standard edition. I’ll explain “modified” below. We’ve been using our BPOS SharePoint portal for stuff like:

  • Marketing information
  • Sales (proposals, lead tracking) –> we do plan to invest in a CRM solution but for now, SharePoint is working out as our CRM solution.
  • Partner and customer contacts
  • Kutafuta
  • Client project information
  • Billing (mainly for storing our invoices)
  • Discussions
  • Prototyping solutions
  • Building out demonstration sites (e.g. new hire management HR process)
  • Time sheets
  • Document collaboration

Kimsingi, all the stuff you’d expect to use SharePoint for.

Along the way, we use technical features like:

  • Alerts
  • SharePoint Designer
    • Workflows
    • Branding
  • Content types
  • CQWP
  • Document libraries with version control
  • Custom lists for all kinds of things (like our time sheets)
  • jQuery (and all the goodness that can come from that, including AJAX calls to SharePoint web services)

What can’t I do with it? There are a bunch of things that would be nice:

  • I cannot provide anonymous access. Kwa kweli, i don’t think I can do that for any price. I could be wrong, or hopefully MSFT will change this in future.
  • No InfoPath of any kind.
    • This has the slightly strange side effect of blocking a few standard MOSS workflows that rely on InfoPath.
  • No server side code. That means, miongoni mwa mambo mengine:
    • No event receivers
    • No custom SharePoint designer actions
    • No custom field types
    • No proper SDLC (i.e. features/solutions).
    • No access to stsadm
  • No access to a shared service provider.

      • The last bit is a little sad because we can’t do as much search configuration I would like.

      You basically give up a lot of technical capability and are forced to live within the confines of out-of-the-box SharePoint functionality.

      I can live with that. I have found myself wanting to slap together an event receiver or use a custom action once or twice,, but for the most part, I don’t notice the lack.

      I should add that this is not a comprehensive list of the differences between a hosted “on prem” MOSS environment and SharePoint on line. Cloud Strategies has a very detailed presentation that goes into all that if you’re interested. I’m speaking from the perspective of a business owner leveraging the tool.

      Ease of Use

      Microsoft provides a nifty desktop application that enables quick and easy access to all of the BPOS functions:

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      You don’t need to use it, but eliminates the need to log into each of the applications separately and for live meeting, It’s quite nice because you can do a “meet now” session with just 2 clicks (one on the “web conferencing” button above and another on the web browser that pops up). It’s also nice to get OWA with one click, though you can just put that in your browser favorites as well.

      The other major advantage with this desktop application is that it provides a background kind of single sign on service. As long as this is running in the background, I can open up web browsers and connect to my BPOS environment without ever needing to enter credentials.

      Full Disclosure

      Microsoft made BPOS available to me for free so I am not currently paying the monthly per user fee at this time. Hata hivyo, I see value there and you can accept on faith (au siyo) that I would pay for this service. The fact is that I can’t count on Microsoft providing this for free forever and it’s become so strongly integrated with my business that moving … the mind quails.

      Hitimisho

      BPOS is an insanely feature rich platform. Exchange, SharePoint (MOSS Standard!), presence, instant live meetings – it’s a lot of functionality that I would sorely, sorely miss if I had to live without it. My business would be severely impacted without it. Could I find replacement functionality? Probably, but I think I would have to cobble it together from a variety of other vendors, complicating my life. BPOS has so far proven itself to be stable and reliable. For the right kind of customer (like my company), BPOs ni thamani ya kuzingatia nguvu.

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      SharePoint - Nini Ni nzuri kwa ajili ya? Huduma ya Afya Mini Uchunguzi kifani

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      [Kumbuka: baada ya hii blog ni kuvuka posted katika tovuti Mark Miller hapa: http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p = 1,897]

      Moja ya kampuni yangu ya kawaida zaidi wateja ni New York City daktari ambaye ni kiongozi katika shamba lake fulani ya dawa (jicho huduma). Like many doctors, he has a strong interest in research. He wanted to do some research on a rare eye disorder that affects a relatively small number of people in the U.S. and Canada. I don’t know the number, but it’s really too small for a large pharmaceutical company to invest its own private funds with an eye toward eventual commercial success. I’m sure large pharma’s do some amount of research into rare diseases, lakini naamini kwamba U.S. government is probably the largest source of funding. Kama kitu chochote, resources are scarce. Many doctors across the country want to perform research and trials. Kama matokeo, there’s more than a little competition for that government funding. This is where my company and SharePoint enter the picture.

      The fundamental idea is that a master organization will recruit other doctors across the country and enlist those doctors’ practices in a particular research study. These individual practices must sign up with the master organization and then, hatimaye, sign up for a particular study. The relationships look like this:

      • Bwana mmoja shirika.
      • Nyingi tofauti ya daktari mazoea ishara ya juu na shirika bwana.
      • The master organization obtains funding for individual studies. At the outset, kuna utafiti mmoja tu juu ya ugonjwa maalum nadra jicho ingawa tuko tayari ramping juu kwa ajili ya utafiti mwingine.
      • Individual doctors’ practices sign up for specific studies. A specific practice could sign up for one or multiple studies.

      shirika bwana yenyewe ni kuvunjwa katika makundi:

      • Kamati ya utendaji
      • Kamati ya uendeshaji
      • Mtu binafsi utafiti kamati
      • Utawala
      • wengine

      Hatimaye, wakati daktari mazoezi maalum ya ishara juu ya kushiriki katika utafiti, wanahitaji kutoa wataalamu wa kutimiza majukumu mbalimbali:

      • Wakaguzi (ikiwa ni pamoja na uchunguzi wa msingi, kawaida daktari, pamoja na moja au zaidi wakaguzi wa ziada)
      • Waratibu
      • Mafundi
      • Ruzuku ya watendaji
      • wengine

      The above roles have very specific and highly proscribed roles that vary by study. I won’t get into more detail here, lakini kama wewe ni nia ya, kuacha maoni au email yangu.

      Na sasa siwezi kujibu swali, SharePoint - Nini ni nzuri kwa ajili ya? The answer – it’s really good for this scenario.

      Intro tayari hii ni muda mrefu zaidi kuliko mimi ilivyotarajiwa, hivyo mimi itabidi muhtasari jukumu muhimu kwamba SharePoint anacheza katika ufumbuzi na kupiga mbizi katika maelezo katika makala zijazo (kama huwezi kusubiri, email yangu au kuacha maoni na mimi itakuwa furaha ya kujadili na labda hata kujaribu kufanya demo). We are leveraging a wide array of SharePoint features to support this concept:

      • Maeneo kwa ajili ya kamati, mtu binafsi majukumu (mratibu wa maeneo ya, mpelelezi maeneo, nk).
      • Usalama ili kuhakikisha kuwa mazoea tofauti hawaoni data nyingine mazoea '.
      • InfoPath forms services for online form entry. This is a particularly big win. Kawaida, aina hizi ngumu zilizochapishwa, barua pepe kwa mazoea, filled out and mailed back. The advantages to the online forms are obvious. They do introduce some complexities (leseni na binadamu) lakini hiyo ni hadithi nyingine.
      • Nje ya mtandao sanduku sehemu, kama matangazo (wakati gani kamati [x] kukutana?) na mkutano wa nafasi ya kazi.
      • Fomu makao uthibitishaji pamoja na chombo CodePlex kutoa binafsi usajili na password kusahau makala.
      • Customized orodha na maoni orodha kwa muonekano katika shughuli utafiti ambayo tu si inawezekana kwa karatasi safi na penseli mbinu.

      Na ubaguzi wa aina moduli makao uthibitishaji na wachache wa aina InfoPath, mradi huu ni kwa kutumia karibu wote nje ya utendaji SharePoint sanduku.

      Kabla ya mimi kufuta utafiti huu min-kesi, Nataka kumweka nje kitu muhimu sana - hakuna juu ya wanaohusika na mradi huu (kando kutoka kampuni yangu bila shaka) has any idea that a thing called “SharePoint” is playing such a fundamental technical role. Nearly all of my end users view this as “the web site.” Our client values us because we’re solving their business problem. SharePoint is a great technical blob of goodness, lakini kufanyika haki, that’s irrelevant to end users. They need a problem solved, si ajabu Blob ya teknolojia ya.

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      Cloud Computing, Kusisitiza SharePoint

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      Badala ya kikao cha SharePoint duka Majadiliano hii Alhamisi, washirika wangu na mimi katika Arcovis ni teaming up kwa Wingu Mikakati na Jumuishi Systems na Huduma Group kutoa kile Natumaini itakuwa mada ya kuvutia juu ya huduma ya Microsoft ya online, kulenga Tija Biashara Online Suite (BPOs). Arcovis actually uses BPOS for its internal SharePoint portal so we have some hands on experience and the kind of experience borne of daily use. Kwa kweli, demo yenyewe ni mbio katika mazingira yetu wenyewe BPOs.

      Unaweza kusoma mauzo yote gory maelezo hapa lakini pointi kuu ni:

    • Cloud Computing Thamani Hoja: Wakati kwa Fikiria Kuhamia Cloud
    • Microsoft Online Huduma: Biashara Tija Online Suite Overview
    • SharePoint ™ Online Spotlight
    • Maandamano kuishi: Kuwawezesha Biashara yako kwa kutumia SharePoint Online
    • Jinsi ya Kupata Started na Cloud Computing

      Mimi itakuwa kutoa demo ya kuishi na nadhani ni lazima kuwa ya kuvutia katika haki yake mwenyewe, talaka ya wingu nzima / online thing. I’m going to describe a very common business process, maarufu New Hire / On-boarding process. I’ll demonstrate a solution that uses SharePoint to implement that process. The demo will include notifications, dashibodi na kujulikana kwa ujumla tu baridi kwa nini kinaendelea na ijara mpya.

      Nimekuwa binafsi kutekelezwa hii ufumbuzi kwa makampuni matatu tofauti, so I know it’s a pretty common process that people like to automate using SharePoint. Kwa bahati, Arcovis itakuwa kutumia wenyewe mwafaka zaidi 🙂

      Hivyo, kama umeshapata maslahi yoyote katika kompyuta wingu kutoka uhakika sana vitendo SharePoint ya maoni, webinar hii ni kile tu unahitaji kufanya hii Alhamisi 🙂

      Kujiandikisha hapa: https://www323.livemeeting.com/lrs/8000043750/Registration.aspx?pageName=1dcgz55vlpm0psn3

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      • SharePoint Majadiliano duka kurejea

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      We held our 3rd SharePoint Shop Talk session yesterday. Twenty-five folk braved the overly aggressive registration screen (sisi ni kazi ya kwamba!) to sign up and dial into the call.

      The topics varied widely although they were a bit more end user and light admin focused this time. We spent a lot of time discussing the age old question, “how do I secure a view”. There was some SharePoint Designer in there, kidogo ya kupelekwa maudhui, toleo la sehemu ya mtandao kwenye kurasa kuchapisha (kweli kuna mtu yoyote versioning kwa sehemu ya mtandao), njia bora za kilimo kwa ajili ya kuanzisha usalama (Jibu = "inategemea" na kuweka katika post akili Joris 'hapa: http://jopx.blogspot.com/2009/08/sharepoint-and-2000-principal-limit.html) na analytics (ambayo imesababisha kukuza baada Todd Klindt hapa kuhusu LogParser na SharePoint: http://www.toddklindt.com/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=85).

      A pattern seems to be forming with these calls. A question is emailed in or asked during the Q&A and the bottom line answer is “it depends.” The panel discusses various angles to the question, sisi inaweza kupotea mbali kwenye tangent isiyo ya kawaida au mbili, lakini mwisho, we’ve had a pretty thorough discussion of that topic. My goal with these sessions is that question asker walks away from the call with more options to solve her problem than she had before she joined the call. I think it’s safe to say that that’s happening (kwa kweli, anaweza kuwa na chaguzi nyingi sana katika baadhi ya kesi).

      Wiki ijayo, wenzangu na mimi saa Arcovis ni pamoja kuwasilisha webinar na mbili ya washirika wetu, Jumuishi Systems na Huduma Group na Wingu Mikakati about Microsoft Online services. I think it’s going to be very informative. Our role (Arcovis) is to present a short demo on how to build a real world solution using Microsoft on line. We’re going to demonstrate a human resources application to manage the on-boarding process for new hires. If you’ve wondered about MS Online, check this webinar out.

      Webinar pengine hii ina maana kwamba sisi si kuwa wakishika Majadiliano duka kikao cha wiki ijayo, lakini kuendelea tuned 🙂 Kama hatuwezi kuwa nayo, itakuwa si Alhamisi.

      Mara nyingine tena, shukrani zangu huenda na jopo: Harry Jones, Natalya Voskresenskaya and Laura Rogers. Shukrani, guys!

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      SharePoint duka Majadiliano (Wazi Q&A) Hii Alhamisi, 08/20/09 katika 12:30PM EDT

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      Sisi ni kufanya SharePoint wetu 3 duka Majadiliano kikao kesho, 08/20 kutoka 12:30 kwa 1:30 PM EDT.

      Unaweza kusoma juu ya kikao cha wiki iliyopita hapa: SharePoint duka Majadiliano Mawazo na Reactions

      Kuleta maswali yako au email yao mapema ili info@arcovis.com.

      Kujiandikisha hapa: https://www.livemeeting.com/lrs/8000043750/Registration.aspx?pageName=xnddgb0b7zh5w9xs

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      SharePoint duka Majadiliano Mawazo na Reactions

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      We held our second “SharePoint Shop Talk” session yesterday and it was a lot of fun. We had fewer attendees this time (hasa kwa sababu yetu mpenzi, ISSG, hakuwa na kutuma nje email kubwa kukaribisha kwa wateja wao). Kwa upande mwingine, we had probably more than twice as many questions to answer. We had so many, kwa kweli, kwamba tunaweza kupata kwao wote, so now we have a little bit of a head start on questions for next week’s Shop Talk session. The questions and our responses touched on data view web parts, kuweka mtumiaji kanda maalum habari programmatically, SharePoint designer workflows, mambo miundombinu swali kuhusu Kerberos (kwamba ilikuwa pengine kupanda na Bob Fox) and jQuery. Cha kusikitisha, utani ugombo hakuna, hata hivyo. Sigh…

      Tumekuwa kusajiliwa tovuti, www.sharepointshoptalk.com na tunataka kuanza kutumia kwamba kufanya mambo yote ya kawaida, kama kutangaza ratiba ya wito, put up the recordings of the sessions and the questions/answers themselves. (wala bother kubofya kiungo kama kuna si maudhui yoyote kama bado kuna).

      Juu ya wito jana, tulikuwa awali mtaalam jopo ambayo ni pamoja na washirika wangu Arcovis (Natalya Voskresenskaya na Harry Jones). We added Laura Rogers ya EUSP.com (na mahali pengine) umaarufu. To top it all off, SharePoint MVP Bil Simser joined the call and we roped him into the discussion. Bil even dusted off an zamani blog kuingia na updated ni in response to one of the questions.

      Kama wewe ni kuvutia katika kushiriki kama mwanachama "rasmi" jopo, moto off barua pepe kwa info@arcovis.com na hebu kujua (Mimi ahadi kwamba anuani ya barua pepe sasa anafanya kazi!) au DM mimi, Natalya au Harry kupitia Twitter.

      Shukrani Bil na Laura!

      That’s a lot of SharePoint firepower on the line ready to answer your questions as best we can.

      I’ll be posting details for the next SharePoint Talk Shop session on my blog and twitter.

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      InfoPath // Maelezo kwa moja ubaguzi "unhandled wakati utoaji fomu System.Xml.XmlException: Zisizotarajiwa mwisho wa faili wakati parsing Jina imetokea. "

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      Mimi nilikuwa nafanya kazi kwenye fomu leo ​​InfPath na mbio juu ya rafiki wa zamani, "Unhandled ubaguzi wakati utoaji fomu System.Xml.XmlException: Zisizotarajiwa mwisho wa faili wakati parsing Jina imetokea. "

      This happened to me a long time ago and I don’t know what exactly I did to resolve it. Honestly, Nadhani kwamba mimi alikuwa kipindi cha mpito kwa mradi mpya na kamwe kuona hii moja kutatuliwa (replacements yangu alikuwa na kukabiliana na maumivu ya kichwa kwamba). I do remember it was a devil of a problem. I spent several unsuccessful days dealing with it. Since then, Nimeona hii kuja kwenye vikao MSDN angalau mara moja kwa zaidi ya mwaka jana na kamwe kweli kuona jibu kwa ajili yake.

      I hit ni leo na bahati nzuri wakati huu , I had just made a change to the form. I backed out that change and the problem went away. It turns out that it’s possible to create a from template using InfoPath Designer in such a way that it generates a parse error on the forms server side of the fence.

      Katika kesi yangu, tatizo ulisababishwa na hatua hizi:

      1. Kuongeza kipengele mpya chanzo data kama shamba Nakala.
      2. Kushuka kwenye fomu.
      3. Mabadiliko ya kuonyesha ni katika kushuka chini orodha.
      4. Kuwaambia kushuka chini orodha ya kuvuta maadili yake kutoka kwenye orodha SharePoint desturi.

      Sijui kama wale hatua kusababisha tatizo au labda, namna fulani data katika orodha yenyewe ni tatizo. I’m going to experiment a bit and see if I can nail downt he parameters of this with any more detail.

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